I tried to return the heater and it has been a running around to find the right place where I purchased it from. Trust me. Cold in Northern Alberta on February 25, 2011: If you want negative comments about this heater , a simple Google search will fulfill your needs. Let me first say, I have been praiseing the Edenpure for about 6 years. *Rates from 0% APR or 10-30% APR. However, the bitter cold in the northern states may require you to run it more. There is no free lunch; you can't get more energy than the source contains. We have unplugged our Eden Pure and have decided to think of this as a 300.00 back up heat source in case our gas furnace takes a dump. Endenpure I dont know till I get it. Mr.Vila and Eden Pure do you really think it is fair game on humanity to peddle your wares on them? In some situations yes but in some no. You get what you pay for, and many manufactured homes do not put the quality into their heating systems, ductowrk, etc. For all those engineering types, HVAC types, etc. I'll bet they had a forced-air heat pump. And yes the personal heater that heats 50 s f is only the size Of a prison cell. When I pulled the heater out this winter nothing happened. Heating water accounts for approximately 15 percent of a home's energy use. Lowering your home's thermostat (s) and using your main heating system less in tandem with a space heatercalled zone heating will cut your utility bill. There has got to be heat loss, because travels a long distance from the furnace ouside to the farthest point. Received a reconditioned unit a week ago. It just says if you use an Eden Pure heater to do "zone heating"I you will save money. So people, please pay attention to this post and others like it and don't fall victim to this Biotech/Eden pure scam. He's doing this because he thinks its a good product and it is if used in the right situation. AND I MEAN THAT SINCERELY. The copper is pretreated to soften the copper . Is the $300 Edenpure any better than a regular $20 electric space heater for any purpose? After reading all the comments, there is no way that I will save any money with this EdenPure Heater and will not order this. Nothing is 100% efficient. P.S. yes my electric bill is higher when i run the eden pure, but my gas bill is greatly lowered, my main furnance mainly runs during the day when we are a work, because i dont like leaving the eden pure running when we are not home. I starting contacting the company and finally did receive a return shipping label. You are just cutting costs by heating a smaller areasomething you could have done without a $400 space heater. Hi everyone . Connect with Us 5360 Red Arrow Hwy, Stevensville, MI 49127 PH: (269) 428-2723 PH: (877) 494-9357 Contact Us I bought the Gen4, have it in the living room in the center of the 1250 sq feet, and I have not turned on my heater. EdenPUREs manufacturer makes several claims about its heater. Suarez Manufacturing Industries / Pinnacle Systems, did no component life testing at all during the Edenpure US-1000 / Gen4 product development. If they did, they would have to absorb water, wouldn't they. They said they could not do a refund because it was past the 60 days and I said I thought the 60 day thing was for the smart people that decided they didn't want it, not for a DEFECTIVE product of which I have received 2 in a row.Anyway they refused to refund my money so I guess I'm just stuck with this piece of junk. You save $ using a portable heater because you can heat just the space you're in at the time. The problem with this, of course, is that you are not saving money by heating the house more efficiently. You cannot beat basic rule of physics saying that energy does not come from nowhere, and does not disappear to nowhere. Always open. Bigger homes and those in colder climates cost. If you look at the stats, they use far more electricity..the ones I just looked at on the Green Site do and they are not inexpensive. Amazon has some of the best prices on heaters and ships right to your door. Energy savings will be the same either way. Now, if you doubt that I read that or that it can be true, the next one I copied and pasted for the guy who said 1500 watts is 1500 watts and will put out the same. My complaints is that I place my order 4 weeks ago still no shipment (endnpure.com states 5 to 10 dyas) & cust service does not respond to email and closed half the time. The key is that the Eden Pure is meant for a certain zone of from 300 - 1000 sq feet depending on the unit you select. If you read it carefully, it never really claims that the Eden Pure heater is a miraculous heat source. i.e. First of all, because it is silent. Options depend on your purchase amount, and a down payment may be required. Anybody can sell anything and make great claims and never have to prove them.I am a electrican and 1500 watts is 1500 watts no matter what shape or size. Talk about a rip off. Looked first at a $14.99 ceramic heater that uses 1500 watts and is rated at just over 5000 btu's. If not there could be an additional charge etc,. This content is accurate and true to the best of the authors knowledge and is not meant to substitute for formal and individualized advice from a qualified professional. We bought edenpure in September. I havent tried other heaters because Ive been satisfied. I am lucky to have a couple of working ones, they do help, but after reading all the electric experts and cost of cheaper 1500w heaters, I must sadly say, I have been scamed. Go to the Home Depot, Lowe's, Cosco etc., and choose the heater out of couple of dozens designs they have there. When the sunlight is in the right direction, I can see the dust particles floating by the intake. I don't know about most of you, but in the coldest 3 months of the year here, my bill runs over $500. The air leaks are what causes a large waste of energy. An electric heater can do the job for an unheated sideroom or shop where the cost of a furnace or duct work would be prohibitive. Still use the Edin pure in our basement vs, electric baseboard and it works fine. [1] I don't know where one of these people learned their math, but a 300 sq ft room is not a 6 x 7. I tune mine up every year with the drop of oil and a little compressed air. If I spend less, good. Most water heaters include a label listing the annual. Many times, the ductwork system in these homes are the coiled ductwork types that gets holes poked in it, or is otherwise leaky ductwork. Baseboard heating provides far more uniform heat distribution. I am on a fixed income and can't afford to pay almost the same amount I paid for it to ship it back. The air movement inside an Edenpure heater is blowing the coldest air on the base of the bulbs and the bulbs cycle on and off frequently. There are three main types of heat pumps connected by ducts: air-to-air, water source, and geothermal. Bought one of the USA made heaters last year and found the heater to be less effective than any of the other electric heaters I have used in the past. Infrared heaters are efficient and fast, and can also be a good choice for fast zone heating as they have fans (with all the consequences I mentioned above). sellers and buyers must dedicate ourselves to paying the cost of doing the right thing or the one who doesn't dissappears. He was telling the UPS lady that he could never contact anyone at the company and what a piece of overpriced junk it was. A btu is a btu is a btu. State notices to consumers [affirm.com/licenses]. FACT: Nonsense. Anyway, they said they would do a refund and to give it a couple of weeks to credit my account.Well about 3 days ago I had another one of these pieces of junk delivered to my house so I called them, again. Bill Burr announced spring and summer North American dates for his Live Nation produced 2022 arena and amphitheater tour, Bill Burr (Slight Return), visiting 23 cities from April through August including Rocket Mortgage FieldHouse on April 23, 2022. CLAIM: With other heating sources, you'll notice you get sleepy because they are burning up oxygen. Thanks for pointing this out for those of us who are scam recognizably challenged. This actually makes their heater less efficient. I told her that I wanted my order cancelled and it was I hope. The facade is added over the top without touching except for where fastened. It does not lie if you read carefully, but still, misdirection, celebrity endorsement, and colorful marketing meant to make the consumer believe overblown claims cannot make the EdenPURE portable electric heater anything but a scam. I will never buy another one and will tell others not to, they are well overrated. I am not endorsing any unit of any other just telling my experience with this unit, so do what you will with my comment. Of course heat rises, but are any of you 8 feet tall to feel that it may be warmer at the ceiling?? They promote using zone heating to save money. Now if your heating a whole home that uses gas or electric and close off several rooms and used the eden pure to heat a few rooms, sure you will save money. I am ashamed that, as a scientist I didn't think through the physics of Edenpure's claims. He is retired as a Lieutenant Colonel from the Texas Army National Guard . They definitely do state 1000 SQ.FT., not cubic feet.I really don't need you to explain to me the difference in cubic feet and square feet. Dont let anyone tell you the heat from their heaters is better or different. All I did was laugh when the very reputable heating and air company in our town quoted this amount. Oh, yes, and for the guy who said how can the ceramic remove moisture from the air, if you will look, there is only one model that is also a dehumidifyer, so it is both a heater PLUS a dehumidifyer. Frankly, I think enough has been said about the EdenPure. I have three EdenPure heaters that work wonderfully! Furthermore, after you buy the first one they give substantial discounts on future purchases of any of their products. And the glaring discrepancy between SCI's unsubstantiated bulb life claims and what consumers are reporting about the actual bulb life with the Edenpure products shows that SCI's claims have no basis in fact. It does nor really matter what type of heat source is used: gas, electric, oil, wood, solar, wind etc. We have found that if you turn the heater on and just leave it alone, it really does a great job. Both the gen 4 and the personal. The importance of this is any space heater will do that. The USA has turned into a scam hotbed. Any way, thank you. Some Of there customers are saving and are willing to talk about it. I have 1250 sq ft upstairs and 1250 downstairs. Propane gas-burning fireplaces. Lucinda from Michigan on December 03, 2012: I got my 1st heater in nov.20011 and used it for 5 months and up for the summer I got it out on oct.25 20012. Price? Call your agent or insurance company if you have any questions. cold in massachusetts on January 12, 2011: where can you run a 1500 watt heater all night for $0.23? Some people still can't get it. Some are made in China using cheap bulbs and some are made in the usa. Less expensive models one have tubes. I've had my EdenPure for over 10 years and it's still going strong. There are millions of happy customers who are telling their friends. If a portable electric heater serves your needs, a low-cost model will kick out the same heat as an expensive model. [5], Burkett's claims about the origins of the documents have since changed several times. I will check the duct for cracks and insulation and if I want to get cheaper, I'll look into the Sun. I called the company so I could exchane it but I have to pay shipping. I've found that by partial disassembling them and placing a tiny drop of oil at the motor bearing points they will run for MANY years past their obsolescent date. Perrysburg, Ohio and go home with your product the same day. Keith Schroeder (author) from Wisconsin on January 12, 2011: Cold in Mass, you can only run your heater 1 1/2 hours at .17 a kilowatt, not all night. has anyone else had this problem and if so can you advise me? Heat from any 1500 watt electric heater will cost you $35.60 for 1 million btus of heat if you are paying 12 cents a KWH. I called them again and realizing that these things must be nothing but junk I told them that I just wanted a refund. is way overpriced for what it does. Has anyone specifically gone from a traditional electric space heater (ONLY) to an Eden and found an improvement in their electric bill? 4) Contrary to this article and many of its posts, the reason why infrared heaters have been so successful is not because of slick marketingprimarily it has been word of mouth. of insurance. That's common sense. Yes, it is not as fast as any heater with a blower, however having that even heat is much more comfortable and healthy. If you have 5000 BTU, you can comfortably heat a space around 100-200 sq.ft with outside temperature of 20-30 F and typical insulation. You also only heat one room so it costs over $2 per room at an 8 hour run. Common applications include space heating, cooking, water heating and industrial processes. You just lay it loose on top so nothing touches it. Suarez Corporation Industries / Pinnacle Systems claims of a US-1000 or Gen4 having 20,000 hour bulb life contains as much truth as a politicians typical campaign speech. We have the 1000, and the 1000XL, the are the first ones. This is an electrical climate-control system which provides heat as well as refrigerated cooling. Depending on how long you allow your electric heater to run during the colder winter months, you could see an increase in your electricity usage, along with a higher electricity bill. Of course, they are not as pretty, and being a woman I do want my house pretty, but again if I can save that much money by not using the air until it hits 80 in the house (and BTW the a/c does not stay on long with the fans on). The memos, allegedly written in 1972 and 1973, were obtained by CBS News producer Mary Mapes and freelance journalist Michael Smith, from Lt. Col. Bill Burkett, a former US Army National Guard officer. Cubic Feet/Minute is the best measure. Was informed that my order was not in the system as of yet, was instructed to call back after 24 hrs. Edin Pure used to give you 2 models (large and small).Sam's Club usually sells Quartz heaters at a competitive price. This has been disputed. The Amazon vendor that sells the $15.99 Lasko heater shown above wants $27.00 shipping! I live in a double wall 2500 sq ft log home (outside logs, insulation, inside logs). Some of the comments by others state they have a comfortable house because the bought the heaters and they were 'comfortable'. See who you know. If a company goes out of its way to rectify a customers complaint, it not only does away with the complaint but provides a more loyal customer than if the cause of the complaint had never happened. Design in an electric heater is everything. Keith Schroeder (author) from Wisconsin on January 20, 2012: Ritamarie, thank you for the lengthy comment. All they will pay is the premiums paid in. Conventional water heaters use energyusually either gas or electricityto generate heat. I used the Gen3 1000 last winter and it kept our living area comfortable. My Gen 4 burned out in 2 years, Eden pure company claims they will send me new quartz heating tubes but I want Bob Villa here to fix it!!!! at a fraction of the cost,with the same heat output a far fewer failure rates. Divide watts by 1,000 to get kilowatts per hour. Thank you so much! Ads for EdenPURE portable infrared heaters promise energy savings of up to 50 percent. We tried their medium wings and a couple of the burgers. Thanks to all of your warnings I will now seek out a nice space heater for around $50 or so and continue to heat my home the same way I have been, just keeping the space heater handy for when I want a little extra heat on colder days. For those of you who have high summer bills, I saved $1500 over the spring and summer months by setting my thermostat on 80 degrees and using floor fans (not box fans, but those on a stand, those that put out a lot of air). The clue is in the word personal . Make the box sturdy enough to hold the weight of the unit. Common sense. Its only ment to heat up a small area with a person in it. She points out their parents had electrc heat in a double-wide. Heat is the movement of air molecules. You could heat an inner room to 70 degrees with the EdenPure for maybe $60/month ($0.15/kWh * 12 hrs/day * 30 days) while dropping the thermastat on the rest of the house to 50 degrees, reducing your heating bill by 40% (assuming avg temp outside is 20 degrees) saving $200/month on natural gas, thereby saving you about $140/month overall! Keith Schroeder (author) from Wisconsin on February 19, 2019: This article was published a few years back when EdenPURE advertised their heaters at $400. I will not call this a scam. Are the so called experts on here thick or something. I've read enough negativity about these units I've decided to stick with name brands (Honeywell etc.) This sure seems to be a scam. So all the rest is just hype , Shame on Bob Vella. I have natural gas heat and now I like it even more. But I'm sure they will be $94.80 two years from now. Room Air Conditioner. Amazon has some of the best prices on heaters and ships right to your door. Keep up the good work EdenPURE! You cannot get more energy out of an electron than is in it. Bill Burkett was the CBS source in the Killian documents affair of 2004. I don't care who it ripping me off if I am getting ripped off. I bought 2 refurbished EP heaters 8 years ago and both are still working just fine. I used to like him on this old house , but like many of the over the hill broke celebs. Because heating a wire is less efficient to heating a infared light you can't do a comparison. Burgers were wonderfully juicy, with the buns toasted on the flat top before assembly, so we got the full old fashioned greasy, buttery effect. Eden Pure is a scam because the details are hidden in clever word usage the average person, many of them on here I see, cannot grasp. CLAIM: [Other heaters with] cheap ceramic plates reduce humidity. I have gas heat but use this at night to warm my bedroom, rather than raise the thermostat to heat the whole house. Determine the average temperature for the coldest month of pool use. Thanks. The man in the commercial who stated he saved so much money that he bought two more and his electricity was half CANNOT be correct unless he is not using his EdenPures round the clock like we usually use our central. Second is that you can lower your thermastat while only heating an inner room. They can be made of solid fabric or in the case of honeycomb (cellular) shades can be a blend of paper, lace, and/or fabrics. As the . I don't doubt people are saving money using the Eden Pure heater because "zone heating"I has to save money by not heating unused areas. You can help Wikipedia by expanding it. There was an ad/coupon in the Sunday paper and then I caught the informercial on tv and felt I had found a good thing. i have one, and believe me it has paid for itself, i have hot water heat powered by natural gas. Nothing wrong with EdenPure technology, it is credible, and the heater is as good as any other similar purpose heater (I only have hard time accepting its "ancient" design). My central gas system is currently broken beyond repair, and until I can install a new system, I am heating every room with electric space heaters, and here in the cold mountains, it's running $300-$400/month (yes, I know, it's temporary madness). PERIOD. Many have been running now for well over 5 years and run almost constantly all winter long. That's right. Electric space heaters fall into four main categories: fan heaters, ceramic, infrared, and oil-filled. FUVM. The heating element inside every electric heater is . I plugged it in this spring to take the chill out. If you can't understand that then you must be stupid. Edin Pure has more competition so their price should be competitive if they want to stay competitive. They are perfect for sleeping. Build a mounting box out of 2 x 4 lumber and 3/4-inch plywood that will allow you to mount the new tankless water heater about four inches out from the wall. Have i used them. They make for a much more comfortable room than ceiling fans. If you rent, I would go with the DuraFlame at half the price and monitor the use, wear sweats, socks, and you will not only save money, you will be warm enough and have lower bills.+. 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I will not buy an Eden Pure until they correct the post sale issues shown here. Question: Is any heater like this okayed by Insurance companies? Mine stopped working 2nd yr. @$400 no thanks! so I'm told we will send you another RFH I don't think so on the customer service center letterhead it states OUR GOAL IS IOO% CUSTOMER SATISFACTION. Installing a water heater replacement costs between $845 and $1,698, or an average of $1,271, for a tank-based unit and labor. If it runs 15 minutes out of every hour, it is only delivering 8,000 btus. By not heating the unoccupied rooms of your home, you will cut your heating bill. Once these last bulbs burn out, I will no longer use this over priced heater. I am sold on the Eden Pure, but I will have to say I did see one just before seeing this page that is described much in the same way as the Eden Pure Gen4 but is marked down to $219. A 50-gallon, 5,500-watt water heater with a .90 EF and an electricity rate of $.16 per kilowatt hour will cost $781 to operate each year. Nothing has changed. Buyer beware ! If you want to prove it to yourself then put a thermometer in two of the same size rooms that start out at the same temp and are the same size turn then both on the highest setting at the same time and watch the temp increase I can promise the hair dryer will win. Heater vs. AC unit. Zone heat is just that whether you use a single zone heater or have your central system set up that way. I use two in my basement that have been working constant for three years (except for the summer months) and still work fine. I needed the one with electric thermostat but I did not get that. With the cost of propane today at over $5.49/gal anything you can do to offset propane useage is a ++++++. Bobby Burkett ( Logan Huffman) is a promising quarterback for a struggling high-school football team. They, too, use energy, but not . In any case, you can reach the exactly the same result with what EdenPure promises, for a fraction of the cost. Its a different volume of air being heated for different applications. Although electric heaters do heat a room, there are more energy efficient ways of doing that. The same amount of air goes through. I know others you spoke with like theirs, but it would be helpful to all readers to hear your experience. Construction Company. Water Heater Installation & Repair Service. It is a well-marketed $40 electric heater selling for $400 or more. You'll love it. The first heater I got didn't run long before one of the elements went out. Water Heater Installation Cost. In that case the EdenPure can save you money over natural gas. Not much more than the eden pure heater can generate in the same hour. If the ceiling were 12', then the amount of air, 1200 cubic feet, would need heating. An electric heater is an electrical device that converts an electric current into heat. It claims to scrub the air in a 1000 cubic foot room. Other heaters I've used don't keep the rooms warm because the controls don't allow the versatility that the EdenPure does. I cannot comment about the energy saving from the Edenpure Gen 4 as it quit working about 2+ months after it was purchased on EBay from Bass Pro Outlets. I live on a mountain in Colorado. My personal choice - an oil-filled radiator, with the price tag of around $40 to $60. I was at the UPS store today watching an old guy trying to return one of those pieces of junk. Square feet is the area of floor space, cubic feet is the amount of air in a room. I took a look at these today in a True Value store. Commercial Boilers. For under $100, you can buy a better-looking, better-built heater that will serve your needs for years to come. A space heater with a linear source of infrared radiant energy in heat exchange relationship with a heat exchanger formed of copper or aluminum material. Also the actual cost for Endenpure gen 4 is $397 (2010 cost) refurbished 374.00 so there are models that are returned for a savings $23.00. Please check with your Demand Response Aggregator for eligibility. Now, that may seem cold to some of you, but no other heater identical to this one is going to do any better and if they are not this safe, you would have to have your central heat on. The pilgrim done swallowed the hook too. Vince DeAntonio ( D. B. Sweeney) is a former college football offensive coordinator, who abruptly resigned five years earlier, and has now become coach at the high school. These are the dimensions of a jail cell, not a room. I bought Edenpure heater in December 2010 and my january heating bill doubled, and what they sent to me is not what I ordered from them. Had I chosen to update and insulate when I first moved here, I could have done it for that price or less.
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